Schematic Confirmation
alienock , 07-09-2020, 11:04 PM
Hello! I am really sorry if i disturbed you by my dumb
question.I'm a beginner so can i ask you a really disturbing point
for me in the reference schematic from texas instruments for 4-port
hub.
So in the picture they told they intentionally reversed
polarities for diff pairs.
1) Why would they do that? Is this right thing to do this?
2) Can i use this in my schematic? What will happen if i don't reverse
the polarities?
Best Regards!
question.I'm a beginner so can i ask you a really disturbing point
for me in the reference schematic from texas instruments for 4-port
hub.
So in the picture they told they intentionally reversed
polarities for diff pairs.
1) Why would they do that? Is this right thing to do this?
2) Can i use this in my schematic? What will happen if i don't reverse
the polarities?
Best Regards!
Paul van Avesaath , 07-13-2020, 12:10 AM
i have no idea why you should reverse the polarity.. can you share the link to were you found that? also there seems to be some connections from your esd diodes that doesnt seem right.. usually when there is an NC connection it means Not Connected.. so i would suggest to remove those lines.
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alienock, 07-14-2020, 11:21 PM
No sir I think I know that the esd protection can be used just for the flow through routing(signals entering from one side and going out from other side).Is this right?And here's the link for this document: https://www.ti.com/lit/ug/tidu614/tidu614.pdf?ts=1594790395562&ref_url=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.ti.com%252Ftool%252FTIDA-00288
robertferanec , 07-13-2020, 07:52 AM
Looks like USB 3.0 specification is mentioning this:
Source: https://www.usb3.com/whitepapers/USB...008)-final.pdf
6.4.2 Lane Polarity Inversion
During the TSEQ training sequence, the Reciever must use the D10.2 Symbol within the TSEQ Ordered Set to determine lane polarity inversion (RXP and RXN are swapped).
But, I believe, that will not work with USB2.0, only for USB 3.0 TX/RX signals. Usually this is for easier layout.
Where is the schematic from? It may be oki.
Source: https://www.usb3.com/whitepapers/USB...008)-final.pdf
6.4.2 Lane Polarity Inversion
During the TSEQ training sequence, the Reciever must use the D10.2 Symbol within the TSEQ Ordered Set to determine lane polarity inversion (RXP and RXN are swapped).
But, I believe, that will not work with USB2.0, only for USB 3.0 TX/RX signals. Usually this is for easier layout.
Where is the schematic from? It may be oki.
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alienock, 07-14-2020, 11:27 PM
Sir here's the link for this: https://www.ti.com/lit/ug/tidu614/tidu614.pdf?ts=1594790395562&ref_url=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.ti.com%252Ftool%252FTIDA-00288Sir i am just confused, because i'm using altium,so when i make a pair of diff signals(TX_N,TX_P) the polarity is reversed(TX- is TX_P & TX+ is TX_N) at the end.So what I can do?Should I use the reversed polarity signals or not?
robertferanec , 07-17-2020, 04:34 AM
You can follow TI design. That design should be ok - means, you should be fine when you swap USB3.0 TX (RX) positive and negative lines the same way as done on the reference board.
- where is it reversed?
i'm using altium,so when i make a pair of diff signals(TX_N,TX_P) the polarity is reversed(TX- is TX_P & TX+ is TX_N) at the end.
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alienock, 07-22-2020, 04:06 AM
Sir in the attached image on my first post there is TX- first label as SSTXM but at the end it is labeled as SSTXP. Same case for the TX+, RX+ & RX-.My question is, what if i dont swap the polarities? Will i be fine? Is there any problem if i dont swap polarities?
robertferanec , 07-25-2020, 01:17 AM
No, there will be no problem when you do not swap polarities. I believe the did it to make layout easier.
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